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Loans with very high rates for their credit grades really ARE bad news (but some greedy or foolish lenders insist on getting burned)
In looking on Lendingstats at all AA loans originated this year, I noticed that there were 44 such loans originated with rates of 18% or more, including one at 30.66% (and 18 at rates of 22% or more). These 44 loans were made with $782,000 of lender money (13 were for the full $25K, and 4 were for $24K). It seemed clear to me that these lenders were letting their greed at receiving abnormally high interest rates for AA borrowers (or perhaps poorly designed Portfolio Plans) overcome their common sense -- what "real" AA would pay such pitifully high rates for a Prosper loan unless no bank would touch them? So although the conventional wisdom is that these lenders are going to be in for a beating, I decided to take a look to see how such loans fared in the past.
There were 25 AA loans with rates of at least 18% originated from Prosper's inception through the end of 2007 (and keep in mind that loans originated in late-2007 aren't even especially "old" yet). Of these 25 "high-rate" AA loans, EIGHT are already 2-months late or worse -- a whopping 32% of these AA loans. Moreover, contrary to expectation, these 8 loans were not disproportionately $25K (or even especially large loans for AAs) -- only 2 of them were for $25K, 1 was for $20K, and the other five were all $15K or less (including one for a measly $4K).
Based on this historical performance, I would say it is safe to say that the lenders on the 44 "high-rate" AA loans originated so far this year are going to be in a world of hurt. I wonder if Prosper's bidding guidance takes the interest rate into consideration (I doubt it, because if it did, these "high-rate" AA loans would show significantly negative expected returns).
To see who is funding these dregs, I looked at the largest lenders on a handful of the 44 high-rate AA's originated this year. Unsurprisingly, the same names appeared on many of the loans I looked at (including two lenders who have been discussed on prospers.org before, Lendinglinguist (LS ROI 26.42%, average loan age 84 days), and i8well (16.83%, 56 days)). These lenders whom I predict to be hurting bad in the future include: jetsfan (-2.53%, 145 days); GTDriver (29.93%, 23 days); 4U2Invest (22.17%, 74 days); Justicepi (21.71%, 67 days); rhchil009 (22.79%, 13 days); Obedience (21.65%, 69 days); and the "winner" -- Sympathetic (-10.31%, 75 days) (he/she is going to need a lot of sympathy by the time the carnage is complete). Undoubtedly, these newbie lenders think they are funding "low-risk" AA loans, and are no doubt overjoyed with the extremely high interest rates of these loans. They are going to be in for a very rude awakening in the future.
Today I decided to take a look at the high-rate A loans and see if the results were the same as with the AAs. Again looking from Prosper's inception through the end of 2007, there were 45 A loans with an interest rate of at least 19% (ranging up to a high of 29%). Of these 45 high-rate A loans, 13 of them are at least 1-month late (11 are at least 2-months late) -- 29% of these A loans. Thus, the abysmal results are pretty much the same for high-rate A loans as they were for high-rate AA loans.
Unfortunately, it appears that lender greed (or poorly designed Portfolio Plans) has caused much more of these high-rate A loans to originate this year than has been the case for AAs. So far this year, a whopping 120 A loans have originated with a rate of at least 19%. And 24 of those high-rate A loans had rates greater than 29% -- something that wasn't even previously allowed. (While 9 of those 24 super-high-rate A loans were for $25K, 9 were for $15K or less, including 1 for only $5,400, and 1 for $8,500). Six of these loans were at the maximum 35% rate. What "real" A borrower is going to pay that much for a loan?
Needless to say, many of the same lenders funding the high-rate AA loans this year are also funding the super-high-rate A loans, including jetsfan, 4U2Invest, i8well, and lendinglinquist. In reviewing a handful of the super-high-rate A loans, a number of lenders popped up numerous times. These include:
osmium (-4.26%, 55 days), whose oldest loan is only 93 days, but whose ROI is predicted to be between negative 9.74% and negative 26.28%! This person was on pretty much every super-high-rate A loan I looked at -- maybe his/her average interest rate of 34.1% wasn't such a good idea after all!
knfbguy (26.9%, 21 days), whose oldest loan is only 44 days, yet he/she has already dumped almost $50K into Prosper.
Zebra2 (29.1%, 24 days) Perolus (28%, 34 days) Jasmel (8.7%, 27 days ) -- average interest rate 35.00% on 88 loans!; DougE66 (29.8%, 47 days); and Moo1966 (10.8%, 48 days).
Someone ought to do these people a big favor and invite them to prospers.org in a hurry.
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I said that I question your assumptions and judging of people's portfolio plans as "poor" by finding a single weak point, probably not the most influencial.
Here are the quotes:
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Undoubtedly, these newbie lenders think they are funding "low-risk" AA loans, and are no doubt overjoyed with the extremely high interest rates of these loans. They are going to be in for a very rude awakening in the future.
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whose oldest loan is only 44 days, yet he/she has already dumped almost $50K into Prosper.
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Someone ought to do these people a big favor and invite them to prospers.org in a hurry.
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Second, one of the points of my original post wasn't that it was "35% 25K" AA/A loans that were dangerous. To the contrary, as I noted twice above, only 2 of the 8 bad AA loans were for $25K, 1 was for $20K, and the other 5 were $15K or less (and 1 was a mere $4K).
Moreover, none of the 8 bad AA loans was for 35% -- the highest rate was 29%, and the second highest was "only" 22%. Five were 20% or less.
As for my "assumptions" you quoted in your comment, I stand by them based upon my 18 months experience with Prosper and my very active participation in Prosper's former forum and in prospers.org. Of course, only time will tell. Maybe these lenders have found the secret to separating out the 68% of high-rate AA loans that haven't gone 2-months late or worse already from the 32% that have. I truly hope so. But I strongly doubt it.
We've seen inumerable newbie lenders on the forums in the past who show up proclaiming that they have Prosper all figured out and that they are going to kick major ass at lending. Almost invariably, they don't. For an oldie but goodie, check out http://www.prosper.com/lend/listing.aspx?listingID=113206. This blender titled his own March 2007 listing "Prosper's #1 Rated Lender Looking for More," and stated that with an estimated ROI of 27.45%, he was #1 out of almost 4,000 lenders with >20 loans and an average loan age >1 month. He claimed that his "stringent qualifiers" before he loaned was "what has placed me at the top." His current estimated ROI is 4.19% (and it used to be even worse). He hasn't bid since July 2007.
And of course, making an example with a dosen of mistaken lenders to prove something is very statistically significant approach. Hmm...
Also, I should mention that I didn't mean 35%/25K/AA-A literally, you know... No need to spell out the rates for me after you have set the limit (18%+, 22%+) in the original text.
PS I would be greateful if you show me the link to lendingstats data you have used.
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